The Invisible Schedule: Mastering Time You Didn’t Know You Had

Dr. Celia Varghese: Not getting more done. It's getting what you need in your business that will move the needle forward done. And that doesn't mean like more time does not equal more results. How you use your time is what equals results.

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After I finished recording this episode with Dr Celia Varghese, I rearranged my entire podcast schedule to make sure that this launched in December because we had an important and very timely conversation about time management and stress and all of the things that get turned up so much during this holiday season. And I know that I'm feeling it with shopping and extra activities with kids, and there's like, polls and cookie making, and you want to have fun, but also you want to, like, not overwhelm yourself. And Dr Celia is actually a board certified psychiatrist turned coach for mom business owners. So you are going to relate so hard with this episode and with the conversation that we had, and when you shared some really important tips and just acknowledgements as well about the weight of what we all carry and how to deal with it and acknowledge it for yourself so that you can get through this season and other seasons in Your Life, and all of the you know the glitches in the matrix, as we call them, when kids come home from school sick and they're out for a week or whatever is interrupting your to do list. Oh my gosh, such a good episode. Can't wait for you to dive in and make sure that you also take Dr Celia up on her free offer, which is a private podcast that you can access in the show notes and enjoy and good luck, Baba, good luck. I see you. I see you out there. I'm with you. Hello. I'm with a really amazing guest today. Her name is Dr Celia, and I am so excited to have this conversation, because when she shared her idea for this podcast being called the invisible time, I was like, please tell me more. I'm leaning right in, and I need to know how to get some of that, especially in the crazy season, like as we're recording this, it's mid November. We're about to get into the holidays. Madness is happening. We're having extra activities with kids, and, you know, special days at school that we're forgetting about already, and all of this stuff. And I just want to, like, dive right into all of this and how you have become the coach for moms about productivity and your background as a psychiatrist. So welcome to entrepreneur School.

Dr. Celia Varghese: Thank you, Kelly. Thank you so much for the introduction, and I'm so excited to be here.

Oh my gosh, let's like, tell us a little bit about your journey, first, from where you came from to where, like, what you're doing now, and how parenting has played a role in the way that you're showing up for your what you want to do for your business.

Dr. Celia Varghese: So in my previous career, I was a psychiatrist, and I used to practice in like an outpatient setting, but it was just, like, pretty intensive, like, I had a lot of, like, high acuity patients and everything, and I noticed over time I was burning out, so I was seeking help for it, and I reached out to a physician burnout coach who was, like, the best thing ever. Like, I never thought I would, like, love my previous job, but then, like, with her coaching and everything, I realized, like, what I had wasn't so bad, but being exposed to the coaching world, just like opening my eyes to, like, what else is out there. So I had it in my mind to maybe also become a coach, but I was also there was a lot of transitions happening. Then I left my job, just became pregnant. Months later, I was close to birth, and I gave birth, and a couple of months later, had started my business. At the same time. So, yeah, I was like, but the thing is, like, I was like, I just like, shake my head at like, what I thought, like the thoughts I had back then, because I was like, Oh, it's a newborn baby. It's gonna be easy. They just sleep and eat all the time, you know, I could do this. And then when I had my son, I'm like, Oh, my God, it's gonna be so hard, you know, like, they don't sleep for hours on end. It's not like, an easy, you know, I was just, like, totally unprepared, and, yeah, I was, like, a hot mess and, like, trying to launch a business and motherhood at the same time. I would not, if you could hit do it great, but I would not recommend doing both at the same time, because it is, it's a lot.

Oh my gosh. Every mom is like, Yeah, I know. Like, they tell you that these things don't come with, like, a warning label. But also, when you get into it, you realize you don't even know what you didn't know. Wow. And you're was like, Oh yeah, I'll have a baby and launch a business. No big deal, right?

Dr. Celia Varghese: I thought, like, the instincts were kicked in of, like, motherhood, and like, you know, I did all the prep for the delivery, because that's what they tell you, to prep one, but not the aftermath. So, yeah, that was, uh, that was definitely a hard lesson to learn. So I was trying to, like, figure out how to incorporate, like, time management productivity with my business at a newborn. And I did what, like anyone else would do, just like, go on Google and Google it, and all the advice I came up with, just so, so generic, like, time block, or do the Pomo method, or, like, just spend more time on one task. And I'm like, those are great and everything. But like, when I'm exhausted and tired and like, I don't have the energy, like, I don't have I can't do this. Like, I can't be, like, all right, one to four, I'm gonna block out time to work in my business when my baby might wake up and he's hungry, you know. Or, like, I just came off, like, not sleeping through the night, and then I'm working on my business. So I was trying to think of a way to figure out, like, how can I make this work? And I was just like, kind of like, flashing back to what I used to do, where I used to work in, like, the ER, the inpatient, outpatient sometimes, like, all at once during, like a 24 hour shift, and during that time, like, you're constantly bombarded with like, different, like, like, different things you need to do. Like, so on my page, you someone might send a phone call, you have to go to this floor get labs. You might have to do an assessment, like all of it, and it's always like continuous. So I learned really quick how to triage and prioritize just in like that setting. So I took what I learned there and tried to incorporate it to where I was with my business and mom life at overtime, I developed a system which helped me figure out, like, the best way for me to, like to do time management productivity without burning out or being stretched thin and still getting stuff done, but getting it done in a realistic time as a new mom and a business owner.

Yeah, oh my gosh, I want to know everything about that absolutely. First of all, though, like, as a kind of contextualization point. I feel like there's this concept of like we just need to get more done. And everybody wants to feel like productivity equals getting more done. What's your take on that?

Dr. Celia Varghese: My take on that is not getting more done. It's getting what you need in your business that will move the needle forward done. And that doesn't mean, like, more time does not equal more results. How you use your time is what equals results. And I think we also underestimate that. Like, it's also like something short amount of time is just enough, as like, having blocks of time. Like, like, take the analogy. Like, just say you're moving from, like, a small condo to a house, and you bring all your stuff from a condo to a house, and it's like, you know, it looks spacious. It looks great and everything. And over time you start filling it, and then that space gets filled. And same with like, just like going from a house to a condo, like, you have so much stuff you bring in a condo, it's so cram packed and everything. It's like, sometimes when we have a lot of time, we just fill it with stuff that doesn't move the needle forward, or stuff that just fills it up. And whereas, like, you really need it, like, maybe, like 1/4 that time to get what you need to get done.

Yeah, I'm always surprised when I challenge myself to be like, hey, well, I have 60 minutes to do this task. Or I know I could also spend probably four hours doing the same task, right? And would the results even be different? Probably not, right.

Dr. Celia Varghese: That's what you're saying, yes, yes. And also, I think it takes into account. Like, how you want to approach the time as well? Like, because I think it's easily to get into like, I don't have enough time, I need to do more. I need to make the most with the, like, limited time that I have. But how do you want to take? How do you actually want to make the most of the time? Like, sometimes it's just even getting. To, like, the mindset of it too. Like, like, Take, for example. Like, a couple of weeks ago, I my son and I, like, we've been trying to get him to eat more, and he's not having it and telling it taller, to eat more. It's like, all my training as a psychiatrist in that moment did not nothing worked. So, like, internally, I was just feeling frustrated and upset and worried for him and everything, and then during his nap time, I carried that over into work, and I realized that that's affecting my work more than me actually sitting down and do the work. Because what's happening throughout your day? It's not like we could sometimes, just like, close the door and move on to next thing. Sometimes it carries with us, you know, especially as moms, especially when it's our child too. So sometimes just even taking the time to, like, get yourself, like, working through how you're feeling, the mindset of it, and then taking a deep breath and then going into your business, sometimes that might take away from that implementation, like the strategy part, but in the long run, it gives you so much back in your well being as well.

Hmm, I'm so glad that you brought that up, actually, because I feel like, for me too, and I've, I've had a business for seven years, and my kids have been different ages throughout so in terms of, like, what my child care situation looked like, I had different amounts of time to deal with throughout all of these years in my business, but I find that transition period is the hardest, right, like the 30 minutes before I know right now my kids walk home by themselves, like the 30 minutes before I know they're coming through the door they're going to interrupt me. Like, imminently, my brain starts like switching over to that and like, I find it so hard to switch back and forth between parent mode, Mom mode, business mode, whatever else, right? And so it's taken a lot of time to even start to be able to identify that that is a block and that that needs to be dealt with. Like, I need to stop what I'm doing and go, like, meditate or stretch or have a walk or something, instead of just trying to, like, I only have 30 minutes, I better, like, get this email out.

Dr. Celia Varghese: Yes, because, like, there's this concept called context switching, which, as moms are doing just so much more all the time, but it takes so much mental energy and even physical energy to switch from one task to another, because we're not really meant to just go from like, you know, like folding the laundry to answering a call to going back to business to attending, like, some something that's like coming up, you know, like, when you're constantly switching, you're constantly, like, refocusing, re shifting your brain to something else, and that actually drains you, and by the end of the day, that actually adds to why we're so exhausted, why we're so fatigued, because we're constantly being pulled in so many directions, internally and externally. So even just having a little bit buffer, a little bit block, like, your kids are going to come home in 30 minutes, like, you know that's coming, but even just like, all right, they're going to come home in 30 minutes, I'm going to stop here. I'm going to give myself a moment to breathe, moment myself to just like, take a deep breath, relax a little bit kind of like switch into mom mode, but in more in a slower manner, not just like that instant switch. And then you might like, notice that, all right, I'm not taking so much energy to switch suddenly to the new thing that we're doing, but I'm taking time to ease into it and not put in so much energy. So I'm feeling better about it.

Yeah, absolutely, 100% I have found in in my own practice of that too. Like I would have to go upstairs, I have to leave my office and go upstairs and like, be in the kitchen to receive my children home, instead of them coming into my office, where I'm like, halfway through a sentence typing something right, and to avoid the like frustration and resentment that that creates too. So okay, I love that we're playing out this sort of example, but maybe you could share a little bit back to your sort of triaging framework around how to make these choices, because I'm sure that it's different for everybody.

Dr. Celia Varghese: So in terms of triage, I think it depends on, like, what's being presented to you. Like, there's going to be some days that you have time to work in your business on the long breaks and get into the groove and you're okay with it, but then there's times when, like, you had planned for a week that you're going to work in your business, and your kiddos are sick, and they give you, they call you from school, like, hey, you need to pick up your son and daughter, please. And then your whole week is kind of derail because you're on mom mode. So coming into terms of, like, all right, I'm going to be in mom mode instead of, like, working my business. What, what seems feasible for me. What seems doable like I need to take care of my kids. That's not that's like number one priority. But are there small pockets of time I could do something small to move the needle for my business? Or is there like client, urgent work for like? Is there urgent work for my client that I need to do that maybe. I could break it up further along the week that I can do. Or even just like playing around with your schedule, like they might be taking long naps because they have a fever and they're too tired. So can you do a little bit there? Or even just, like taking permission, like, you know what? This is going to be, one of those weeks where I'm not ready to do business. I can't do it. I'm just gonna be there for my family and pick up what I need to and when I'm ready to do so, because sometimes we don't give ourselves that permission. It's always that tug of war. Like, you're with your kids, you should be working on your business. You're with your business, should be working on your kids, you know? So sometimes just getting permission, like, you know what? I'm just gonna focus my son and daughter, and I'll deal with the business. I'll get what I need to get done this week, but the rest, I'll just wait till next week, because my business is not going to fall apart in a week. You know, it's like, I like, it's here for the long run that it

That's true. But yeah, we, we have a hard time believing that statement, right? Uh, yes, you're, you're hitting on so many important points around like that battle that we have between being pulled one way or another and never feeling like enough in either arena, nice and and. So do you have any like, Hey, I'm the person who's always like, I should be doing my business. And I'm like, kids that like, it's so hard to like, pull that in as a priority and feel like it is as valuable of a thing for me to be doing as business stuff is right, right? So do you have any tips around like, shifting that mindset, about giving yourself that permission

Dr. Celia Varghese: from like business to mom or mom, but business or

like allowing yourself to so let's go with the your kid's sick and your whole week is wrecked, okay? Because that happens. And it's, it's flu season is about to happen, right,

Dr. Celia Varghese: right, right? I think just like shifting into, like, all right, I'm gonna take a deep breath. This is not what I planned. But you know what, this is a great exercise for me to practice, because this is not the last time this is gonna happen. This probably gonna happen, probably until they're, like, much, much older, you know, because at some they'll always need their mom in some way or some form. So you know what? I'm going to take a list of what I had planned for this week, what has to stay on my schedule, what does not have to stay in my schedule. What is things that need stay in my schedule. Can I break that up in, like, the periods of time that I have and just internally being like, you know what? Even if I don't get to all of it, it's okay. It's okay. I Mom, life and business life. It's a season like, there's, this is the season that I'm in. This is not what I would love to happen, but this is what's happening right now. And just even, I think sometimes just even giving that internal like, grace to ourselves, like, because as moms, like, we tend to beat ourselves up so much or, like, take things like to heart, like, I didn't do this, I didn't do that. I really wish I did this. But sometimes just giving that grace to yourself, like, look like, I call myself sell. Like, look, sell, you're not going to be able to work on this. Your son, Logan, is sick. He needs you, and the only thing you could work on is what you promised this client. So you know what? I'm going to just focus on that. I have a list of what I need to do this week. All the money gets better. Or if there's, if I'm able to in the pockets of time. I'm going to just try to do the best I can, but I need this breathing space for myself, because I'm worried about him, and that takes away from me being fully focused on the business too. You know, I think it's kind of like taking the whole scenario. Like when we triage, we take in all the entire scenario, all the inputs, and then we try to prioritize, like, what's more urgent, what takes the most energy, what's needed now, and what can be done a little bit later, or next week, or pushed later, or when there's a little bit breathing room, when there's like, less like, pages or calls and whatnot. All right, When can I start tackling the semi urgent or semi important stuff to do, and also taking a lot of deep breaths into giving grace and a lot of reframe because our brain is like, we kind of have like the prefrontal cortex, which is like the mature, like reasonable part of us. And then we have like our amygdala, which is kind of like the kind of like the taller brain, in a sense, who loves to throw tantrums, and it's like you're not doing enough. You're not doing this. Why aren't you doing this? And so we have to kind of also, like, redirect and like, kind of bring it back to the grace of permission, like the rational part, like, you know what? I'm in the middle of two kids being sick. I am tired myself. There's a good chance I might get sick too, you know. So let's just take it today and let's see what I can do with my kiddos. And if I feel like working on business, and if I can do it, I will do so, if not, totally okay, you know?

Well, I feel lighter just hearing you say that actually like,

Dr. Celia Varghese: thank you.

Okay. It is. It's so true that there's so many other factors that play beyond the to do list, right? Like there's your emotional well being, there's your physical health, and the potential for your physical health to run down really quickly by being exhausted or actually getting sick or as a result of trying to power through both of those things could happen anyways, always on the table.

Dr. Celia Varghese: Yes, and like, as moms, like, I don't think we give ourselves credit, like, how much we're running like or take care of our kids. We're running a business, running a household our partners need. Like, we're doing so much, you know. But when you cut into it day by day, we forget how awesome that is in a sense. Like, if I was to look at myself younger and look at what I'm doing now, I'd be like, I don't even know how I'm doing it, you know?

You know what like I'm having a moment. I've been going to therapy for quite some time, for various reasons, typically mostly centered on having lost my mom several years ago, and like, kind of going through my grief journey in that. And one time when I went to a new therapist, and I started sharing a little bit just about, like, feeling this anxiety, and when she said, like, you're overwhelmed, and I hadn't even thought of like, it didn't even occur to me that all of the stuff that I was doing was just a lot, right? So I think that what you're saying, right? We're just running without even knowing that we're carrying so much more than we should be carrying, or need to be carrying, and we're just thinking we should be like, I don't know who we are comparing ourselves to, but we're just super moms, not this.

Dr. Celia Varghese: And you hit the nail on the head, like we are overwhelmed, like we are carrying a lot. And it's not like we were, in a sense, prepared for this. It's not like there came a manual after your kids were born. Hey, this is all the things that's gonna happen. This is how you prepare for it. You know, it's kind of like a lot of learn on the fly type thing. And every kid is different. Every need is different. We change as parents too, you know, and we change as business owners. So, like, we're doing a lot, and I think with the overwhelm, like, just even going back to like, you know what I have so much my plate, just even, like, simplifying what you can and even mentally, like, you know what? I can only handle one thing at this moment. That's all I'm going to be doing. Like, when my son was sick, like, I had, like, a ton of things to do, and I'm just like, You know what? I'm just going to work on getting this for my client. And that's it. Everything else I cannot handle it right now I am going to break down. I'm exhausted. I'm trying hard not to fall sick myself, because once he gets sick, I'm sick for like, a month. So it's just like, yeah, so it's just like, even like, knowing myself like, this is my limit, and taking care of my physical health too. So I'm able to be there for him and myself and my business as well, because so we don't really take into account how much stress affects us, like, what it really does to the body, like, emotionally, physically, mentally, and it does take a toll. It does over time really, like, affect how we function. So just even the little times and graces, or the little times of just like, taking a deep breath, going for a walk, doing something you enjoy, like listening to like, songs you love, you know that perk you up, like anything, that little moment helps just decrease the stress and decrease that, like, endless cycle of like, all right, I'm overwhelmed, I'm stressed, I'm irritable, I'm anxious, I'm taking it out of my kids. Now I feel worse. Now it's happening again, and then the day just spirals downward. And before you know, you're like, in bed crying and like wondering, like, how did I, how did this day even happened? You know, yeah,

like, that was like, last week for me.

Dr. Celia Varghese: That was literally, like my week ago, too, in bed, Craig, how does this even or, like, telling my husband, like, I don't eat, I'm like, it's such a horrible mom. Like, I kind of get this together.

Oh my gosh. Everybody listening to this is, like, relating so hard, right now, it's not, it's not funny, but it's funny, you know?

Dr. Celia Varghese: Yes,

oh my gosh, oh.

Dr. Celia Varghese: Take a deep breath. Take a deep breath right now. Oh, it's like heavy stuff.

Yeah, right. It's that acknowledgement. And I think that you're, you know, pointing out that we have to become really in tune with ourselves, to know our own limits, to and to create our own boundaries, so that we we don't because we're the only ones in charge, right? Nobody's making us do any of the things that we're doing like we feel like we're being made to by whatever societal pressures, or this belief we have to post on social media every day to make our businesses work, or whatever it is, right? But none of that is. Is really, real,

Dr. Celia Varghese: Right? And it's it takes a lot to, like, undo the societal and conditional things we've been taught, like, with time, like, from the very beginning, we're always taught we don't have enough time. We don't have enough time to do this. We need to put do this. We're so busy I can't do this, you know? And that's what we bring into adulthood, and that's what we kind of bring into our businesses, too. And then, like, if you like, you think about it, like, is it true? Like, do we really don't have enough time? Like, maybe we have just enough time to do what we need to do. And that's fine, you know, maybe we don't need to do everything. Maybe we just need a day to ourselves, you know, like when I, like, hung out with a friend that was, like, the best thing ever in, like, the last month, because I'm like, I'm having an adult conversation with someone, and I'm taking time for myself. I'm not, like, working my business take care of my little one, you know, just like small little things or just something that replenishes us. Because, like, if mom burns out, like it all burns out around us, you know.

And so I just wanted to, like, kind of tie this back together with what we were talking about in terms of, like, your topic idea on this concept of invisible time, like, how do you actually define that? And maybe we've kind of touched on it, but if we could kind of summarize what that means.

Dr. Celia Varghese: So the divisible time is the time that you have throughout the day that you don't really consider business time, but can be used for business time or personal time. It could be when you're dropping your kids off for school or picking them up. It could be like the small amount of time you have before they wake up. It could be just like you're in the doctor's office, and you're waiting for tiny, you know, for them to call you in. And then it's taking that time and deciding with the intention of, like, what do I want to do during this time? Do I want to work on business? Do I want to work on personal? Do I want to do absolutely nothing? And once you have an idea of what you want to do with that time, having permission to yourself, like, this is what I'm going to do at this time. You know what? I'm sitting in the waiting room and I really feel like, what flipping magazines are watching, what they have on the television that doesn't appeal to me. So you know what? I'm just gonna start thinking about, like, what I want to talk about in my emails for the next month. And maybe I'll just, like, start like, you know, writing out ideas in my phone about it while I'm waiting for them to call me to my appointment, or I'm at the school, draw on pickup, and I'm waiting for my kids to come in. So, you know what? I'm gonna spend time listening to something educational, like some like, like a podcast, like Kelly's podcast, and take it from there. That's considering my business, educational time, you know? Or, like, you know what? I'm not gonna do anything. I'm gonna be thinking about that kid show remodel, or just thinking about, like, what I'm gonna buy for the holidays, you know, like, that's gonna be my what's, what's my gift list for, like, December. So, like, so having, like, permission of what you're doing and then reframing it, like, all right, this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go in, I'm gonna talk, think about, like, work, my business, write something in my notes, and I'm going to need what I'm going to do is just do the strategy version of it. I'm okay with the mindset I gave my remission. I feel good. I'm just going to go in and be like, All right, I'm going to talk about, like, how traditional Time management is broken, or the way we think about time management needs to be different, or how to work through the hidden puck the time that we have, and those are going to be my email ideas for the next month or so, and then I have it on my phone, and I did something, you know, like I chose that time to work with my schedule, because mom, life is different. Some days you have more time, some days you don't, but the times you do have, even though they're not the typical like 20 minutes to an hour. They may be five, they may be like 10, they may be like a hit, you know, like eight minutes. But I'm gonna use that time and work my business and see what I can do from there. And just from there, like, the small pockets of time that you work through add up for the long run, like, you'll be surprised in a month, how much that little time adds up. It's like, like, when you start exercising and you do, like, a little bit you're walking, and then you're getting faster, and then you're running, and then you're preparing, and before you know it, you may want to run a marathon, and all that came from you just starting and doing a little bit time, little bit, little bit, little bit, you know.

Oh, yeah, that's exactly how I teach visibility, too. It's like, under 10 minutes a day, right? Really, you can, you can put something in, in those little pieces. But as you're talking, I feel like I want to ask a really logistics question, do you? And I guess it depends on everybody's brain, because I'm feeling like, what I'm hearing you say is have kind of a go to list that you always could refer back to to be like, What do I want to do right now, versus the that decision making of like, what is it like? What should I do right now? You're already at the place where you're asking yourself, what of the things I've already kind of determined in terms of my priorities, and you've listed that those could be. Business things. Those could be personal things. Those could be like, you know, thinking about your holiday gifts, or, you know, grocery shopping online, whatever it is. It could be any of those things, but you kind of don't get stuck in this. I don't know what to do, so I'm bored, so I'm scrolling social media.

Dr. Celia Varghese: Yes, yes. And you could even do like, if you don't have a to do list, or if you don't even know where to start, even just doing like, a to do list in like, the waiting room, or, you know, wherever you have the small pockets of time, that's a start too, because you could look at it be like, alright, this I could need to do this week, this I don't need to do now. So scratch that. It kind of just like, whittle it down. Be like, in those eight minutes you figured out what's your priority for, like, the week or whatever time period that you have?

Mm, hmm, okay, amazing. And I'm sure that you have some wonderful resources that help people with this. So if you want to share about anything, whether that's a download or your website or a video that you made, or anything like that. Please let people know what that's all about.

Dr. Celia Varghese: Yes. So I have a resource called Get Back on Track With Your Business Goals, and it's a private podcast. So if you have any point in your business where you're having trouble getting back into your business goals, you definitely want to check out the mini audio training that I have for you guys. So normally it's on my website for $47 but because, like, You guys are amazing, and Kelly is amazing in that I love being on this podcast, I wanted to give it to you guys for free. So it's basically a three part mini audio trading, which you can listen via private podcast. And it'll help you refocus and prioritize what matters most, even when feeling overwhelmed and behind a business, I'll help you shake off the self doubt so you learn practical ways to feel more certain about your business choices, find your focus and quiet the noise, so you could filter out distractions and zero in what truly matters. So there it's a mix of like mindset strategies and implementation strategies. So you could basically listen to it while you're folding laundry or going for a walk, and take it from there. And the link will be in the show notes. And feel free to sign up. And if you have any questions, you can email me at Celia@mindsetcoachmd.com.

Oh my gosh, I love a private podcast. It's the best. Yes, clearly my favorite way of learning. This is why I'm a podcast host. So thank you for that, and I'm very excited for our listeners to grab that to stay connected with you and to learn more about different strategies for time management. And honestly, I think that's just like the overall arching pathway into the mindset that allows us to give permission to, like, not go crazy, and there you go. I just give you a new tagline, permission to not drive yourself crazy.

Dr. Celia Varghese: I'll take it. I love that.

but we all need because no two self I'm the one driving myself crazy. There's nobody else in the driver's seat. It's just me right?

Dr. Celia Varghese: And note to self, I do the same. You're not alone.

Oh my gosh, I know I feel like so Steve On this episode, and I'm sure our listeners will too. So I'm very thankful for you to come today and to share your knowledge and your beautiful like tone that was so soothing, just to have this conversation, to be honest, and any last words of wisdom, anything else you want to wrap up with and remind people where they can connect with you as well.

Dr. Celia Varghese: I just want to say, like, I know you're doing a lot, and I just want to say, You're Enough, mom, this is owner, like you are doing as much as you can in the time period that you are and that's enough. And if you have any questions, email me at Celia and mindset coach indeed, and I love to answer them.

Amazing. Thank you so much.

Dr. Celia Varghese: You're welcome. Thank you.

All right, everyone. We will be back next week.

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