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We’re back with another summer strategy snack—and I’m spilling the tea (or should I say, coffee?) on the most underrated visibility strategy I know: coffee chats.

Here’s the deal: I’m in the middle of a social media detox this summer, but I’m not ghosting my business. I’m getting visible in a way that actually feels good—and coffee chats are a huge part of that.

Not sales calls. Not pitch slams. Just real, intentional conversations with aligned humans.

This episode is your reminder to start building momentum through relationships that lead to real visibility wins—like podcast invites, referral partners, bundles and collabs.

Here’s what I dive into:

  • Why coffee chats are NOT discovery calls (and why that matters)
  • Where to find the right people for real connection
  • The 3-part litmus test I use to spot alignment fast: values, audience, energy
  • How to keep it short, sweet, and actually worth your time
  • The scheduling tool I swear by (that saves a ton vs. Calendly)
  • My best tips for reaching out without feeling weird or needy

Whether you’re a social media dropout like me this summer, or just looking for a more human way to grow—this episode is for you.

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Transcript
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Visibility isn't always about like this, public,

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viewable, visible, being out there. This is about building

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those relationships with the right people. Any coffee chat

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done well, it can lead to podcast invites, referral

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opportunities, affiliates, bundles, partnerships, or even

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just someone who is now your friend that you voice memo when

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you're in your head about your next launch.

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This is the entrepreneur school podcast where we believe you can

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run a thriving business and still make your family a

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priority. This show is all about supporting you, the emerging or

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early stage Entrepreneur on your journey from solopreneur to CEO,

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while wearing all of the other hats in your life. My name is

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started a business with two kids under three. I'm a corporate PR

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girl turned entrepreneur after I learned the hard way that life

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is too short to waste doing things that burn you out. On

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this show, you'll hear inspiring stories from other business

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owners on their journey and learn strategies to help you

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grow a profitable business while making it all fit into the life

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that you want. Welcome to entrepreneur school.

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Hey there, and welcome back to another bite sized episode in

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our summer strategy snack series, where we're ditching

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social media for the season, but we're not ditching visibility.

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And also you don't have to ditch social media. It's just

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something I'm doing for this summer, an experiment that I am

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implementing, and I will tell you all about it when the summer

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is over on the podcast. And if you want to follow along, I am

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sending out weekly emails to my list, kind of a little diary of

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what my social media detox has been going like. So if you have

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been following along. You know, I'm in the middle of this

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experiment, and I'm really focusing on strategies that

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build real connection and keep my business visible in a

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sustainable way, and one of my favorite ways to do that is

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through coffee chats or networking calls with other

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people. Now, I know some people are saying you don't need them

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to grow your business, or how to avoid coffee chats, because

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sometimes that turns into 45 minutes of wasted time. But

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we're not going to do that.

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So here is my hot take. Coffee chats are actually one of the

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most underrated ways to meet collaborators, potential

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business friends, and even open the door to long term visibility

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opportunities. These are not discovery calls. So they are not

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about pitching, they are not about sales, they're not about

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getting clients. They are about people and relationships. So

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before we dive into this episode, quick reminder, if you

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are looking for a way to build your own visibility strategy

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that feels clear and doable. Make sure that you grab the 90

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day visibility sprint starter kit. I don't know why I can't

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make names of things shorter, but that's what it's called the

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90 day visibility sprint starter kit. It walks you through how to

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create a custom visibility plan that fits your season. The word

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visibility is very hard for me to say today, for some reason,

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so sorry about that. Stick with me. The link is in the show

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notes, and you can get it for free because you are a podcast

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listener, and I appreciate you. So let's get into making coffee

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chats actually count.

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So again, my hot take is that coffee chats are for

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relationships. They're not for sales. So these are not

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discovery calls or consults or whatever thing we are labeling

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our sales calls as there is no agenda except for connection.

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And some of my best opportunities have come from

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these casual chats that just have no expectations other than

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creating a win, win situation for both people on the call.

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They're powerful for nurturing existing contacts, meeting new

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aligned people, and ultimately building that long term

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visibility from momentum. So I want to talk today about two

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things. One is how to find the right people to have these

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conversations with, and the other is what to actually talk

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about on the call to make it short, efficient, effective and

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a win, win for both parties.

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So first of all, finding the right people. You can look for

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new connections, right? This is how we can build relationships

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with new people. So perhaps social media followers, people

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who you've chatted with in the DMS a couple times, or people

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who you're following, who you want to make a collaboration

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with. Maybe they're people from. Zoom calls like digital

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networking events that you might go to, virtual networking

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events, or even programs that you're in. I know just being

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active in the chat, sometimes on a call that I literally pay to

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be part of, has led to making connections, and collaborative

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relationships have formed, or other communities that you're

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in, right? The opportunity is all about deepening connection

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with new people. The other group that you can think about is

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reconnecting with people that you've already met. So if you've

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been to a networking event or in person conference or something

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like that, and you made a connection. Take that the next

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step. Build that relationship with a coffee chat. When you get

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home, when you meet people, sometimes we forget to continue

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that conversation. It's just a lot of lost opportunities. So

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let's deepen the relationship, and especially if somebody

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referred a connection to you, like from somebody else that you

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know, this is another place that you can really reconnect through

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a coffee chat.

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Now, what you want to make sure you're doing is looking for

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alignment. So there's three areas that I like to focus on

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here. One is shared values. So right away, like, I don't know,

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I am a rather intuitive person. I can read people's energy. I

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have a lot of energy, so that vibes, or doesn't vibe with

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people as well. When you get on a call, you need to assess that.

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And we're assessing our shared values, like, are we kind of on

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the same path, on the same mission. Do we believe the same

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types of things? This is important when determining

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whether you can have an effective collaborative

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relationship. It's about humans, right? Sharing values is so

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important in figuring that out. And then the next level is your

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shared audience. So this is always a litmus test that you

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want to run anything through is like, are we talking to the same

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people? Because we can't build collaborations if we're not so

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but that, to me, is still secondary to having shared

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values with somebody, because once we're aligned at that

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level, every opportunity really opens up. And then I also say,

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like, energy is about assessing how we want to each show up in

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the world, because there can't be like, a conflict in what that

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is perceived as by the audience that you are communicating with.

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So I know that we're not all on the same level. I don't mean

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like two high energy people are only a good fit for each other,

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but a good balance of energy that flows, and that's just

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something that you can really only feel and assess by having a

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one on one conversation with somebody else. So you sometimes

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can know people by reputation, but when you get on a call with

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them, then you really know how you connect and what feels good,

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and this is really where those spidey senses come in. This is

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all about using that intuition and assessing the other person.

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I keep saying assessing, but it's like just reading them and

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connecting with them, and that's why we need to have these one on

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one conversations before we go into doing bigger things

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together. When you're thinking about reaching out, it's very

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simple to just send a casual message. If you're using social

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media to connect or email right, reference something specific to

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show intent, like pay attention to what they're doing. This is

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about collaboration and mutual benefit, not just I see that you

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host a podcast, I'd love to connect to see if I could be a

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good fit for you. This is always about Win, win for both people,

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and my pro tip is to have a scheduling link set up so you

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want a 20 minute call that you have open in your calendar, and

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you use a tool. My preference is tidy Cal. Tidy Cal is a very

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inexpensive tool. I will put a link in the show notes for you

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to get it. It's a AppSumo affiliate program, where you can

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get it for 29 bucks for a lifetime. I used to pay probably

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150 to $200 a year for Calendly, and it's exactly the same, and

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it's $29 forever. So you're welcome if you're paying for

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Calendly right now, because you're going to want to switch

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to this, but essentially having that to make it simple, so that

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you can have that connection, can send them a link. I

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literally just did this before I got on and recorded this, I had

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reached out to somebody via response to one of their

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newsletters. Hey, we haven't talked in a long time. Love to

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catch up and see what you're up to. Looks like a lot of. Great

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things, because she was talking about all these events that

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she's hosting, and I love that. So yeah, she's like, Yeah, send

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me your scheduling, right? That's the way to book, because

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we're not going back and forth. Is Wednesday at four, good time

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for you. And what's your time zone conversion and all that

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stuff. So just make it really simple. That's very respectful

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of time, and it really sets the tone for the professional

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conversation, but also very personal, right?

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So then let's talk about what to actually put on the agenda in

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order to create a win, win conversation with somebody else.

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I love to just start with curiosity, asking about what

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they're focusing on, what they're passionate about, what

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current projects are they doing? Where are there some

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opportunities like, I just want to see what they light up about.

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That's a place for me to really tap into the energy and tap into

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the understanding of their audience, and also figure out,

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you know, if we're aligned from a values perspective, all of

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those things come from just asking good questions, and then

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make sure that you have an opportunity to share context

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about yourself. And again, this is not a pitch. This is just,

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this is what I'm doing right now. This is what I'm looking

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for. And if you set the tone of the conversation that way, it's

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absolutely reasonable to have that conversation that what

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we're doing is trying to build a win win opportunity for us. And

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so you tell me what you do, I'll tell you what I do. We'll see

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how it can fit together. And then look for some overlap, your

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common experiences, your shared audience, and think about the

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potential collaborations that you could create out of that,

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whether it's somebody's a podcast host or having an event,

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an in person event or an online event, or if you just want to do

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an email list swap or something like that, and consider your own

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generosity. What kind of a resource or insight or even

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additional connection might you be able to share with this

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person who took 20 minutes out of their day to talk to you as

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well. And then I want to recommend you stay open, right?

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A great chat may lead to something on the spot. You may

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end that conversation with two podcast episodes booked, which

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is generally My goal when I'm talking to people about being on

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my show, I want to get a podcast interview booked with them as

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well, or some other kind of way that I can support their

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audience. Or sometimes it's just a planting of a seed, right?

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And, oh yeah, I'm working on building something in six months

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or next quarter, or whatever it is. And sometimes they're just

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not as quick of a turnaround or an automatic win, but that can

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be a goal that you have when you get onto the conversation, is

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what kind of a collaboration you're thinking about doing. So

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have that in mind before you get on the call, and then be open to

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the brainstorm and where the conversation goes.

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And then I want to remind you to follow up. Send a thank you.

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Mention something from your conversation. Just keep the

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touch points going. This is all about building and maintaining

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and deepening relationships. I talk about this all the time,

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relationships, relationships, relationships. That is what you

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want to focus on for your visibility, because it is the

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key to turning your outreach, your one sided efforting,

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pitching, applying, reaching out into invitations. Once you start

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building relationships with people, you become Top of Mind

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with them, and they start recommending you, sending you

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invitations to their things and other things that they're

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participating in, because they know who you are, what you're

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all about, and that you're good. So the thing is, visibility

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isn't always about like this, public, viewable, visible, being

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out there. Sometimes it just comes from being in a room, a

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virtual one, even, or, like, I didn't even say, like, go have a

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real coffee with a real human love. That always a good way to

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continue a relationship, right? But this is about building those

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relationships with the right people in a coffee chat done.

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Well. It can lead to podcast invites, referral opportunities,

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affiliates, bundles, partnerships, or even just

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someone who is now your friend that you voice memo when you're

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in your head about your next launch.

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And if you want to make this kind of intentional connection

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part of your strategy, definitely make sure you have

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grabbed my 90 day visibility sprint starter kit. It is free

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and simple, and it gives you that focused plan to make these

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visibility moves feel way more doable. You will find the link

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to this resource in the show notes. And next week, we are

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talking about a strategy that most people know they. Should be

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doing, but avoid like the play and why doing it well could be

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the visibility unlock that you have been missing, leaving you

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on a cliffhanger. I will talk to you next week.