We’re back with another summer strategy snack—and I’m spilling the tea (or should I say, coffee?) on the most underrated visibility strategy I know: coffee chats.
Here’s the deal: I’m in the middle of a social media detox this summer, but I’m not ghosting my business. I’m getting visible in a way that actually feels good—and coffee chats are a huge part of that.
Not sales calls. Not pitch slams. Just real, intentional conversations with aligned humans.
This episode is your reminder to start building momentum through relationships that lead to real visibility wins—like podcast invites, referral partners, bundles and collabs.
Here’s what I dive into:
- Why coffee chats are NOT discovery calls (and why that matters)
- Where to find the right people for real connection
- The 3-part litmus test I use to spot alignment fast: values, audience, energy
- How to keep it short, sweet, and actually worth your time
- The scheduling tool I swear by (that saves a ton vs. Calendly)
- My best tips for reaching out without feeling weird or needy
Whether you’re a social media dropout like me this summer, or just looking for a more human way to grow—this episode is for you.
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Transcript
Visibility isn't always about like this, public,
Kelly Sinclair:viewable, visible, being out there. This is about building
Kelly Sinclair:those relationships with the right people. Any coffee chat
Kelly Sinclair:done well, it can lead to podcast invites, referral
Kelly Sinclair:opportunities, affiliates, bundles, partnerships, or even
Kelly Sinclair:just someone who is now your friend that you voice memo when
Kelly Sinclair:you're in your head about your next launch.
Kelly Sinclair:This is the entrepreneur school podcast where we believe you can
Kelly Sinclair:run a thriving business and still make your family a
Kelly Sinclair:priority. This show is all about supporting you, the emerging or
Kelly Sinclair:early stage Entrepreneur on your journey from solopreneur to CEO,
Kelly Sinclair:while wearing all of the other hats in your life. My name is
Kelly Sinclair:Kelly Sinclair, and I'm a brand and marketing strategist who
Kelly Sinclair:started a business with two kids under three. I'm a corporate PR
Kelly Sinclair:girl turned entrepreneur after I learned the hard way that life
Kelly Sinclair:is too short to waste doing things that burn you out. On
Kelly Sinclair:this show, you'll hear inspiring stories from other business
Kelly Sinclair:owners on their journey and learn strategies to help you
Kelly Sinclair:grow a profitable business while making it all fit into the life
Kelly Sinclair:that you want. Welcome to entrepreneur school.
Kelly Sinclair:Hey there, and welcome back to another bite sized episode in
Kelly Sinclair:our summer strategy snack series, where we're ditching
Kelly Sinclair:social media for the season, but we're not ditching visibility.
Kelly Sinclair:And also you don't have to ditch social media. It's just
Kelly Sinclair:something I'm doing for this summer, an experiment that I am
Kelly Sinclair:implementing, and I will tell you all about it when the summer
Kelly Sinclair:is over on the podcast. And if you want to follow along, I am
Kelly Sinclair:sending out weekly emails to my list, kind of a little diary of
Kelly Sinclair:what my social media detox has been going like. So if you have
Kelly Sinclair:been following along. You know, I'm in the middle of this
Kelly Sinclair:experiment, and I'm really focusing on strategies that
Kelly Sinclair:build real connection and keep my business visible in a
Kelly Sinclair:sustainable way, and one of my favorite ways to do that is
Kelly Sinclair:through coffee chats or networking calls with other
Kelly Sinclair:people. Now, I know some people are saying you don't need them
Kelly Sinclair:to grow your business, or how to avoid coffee chats, because
Kelly Sinclair:sometimes that turns into 45 minutes of wasted time. But
Kelly Sinclair:we're not going to do that.
Kelly Sinclair:So here is my hot take. Coffee chats are actually one of the
Kelly Sinclair:most underrated ways to meet collaborators, potential
Kelly Sinclair:business friends, and even open the door to long term visibility
Kelly Sinclair:opportunities. These are not discovery calls. So they are not
Kelly Sinclair:about pitching, they are not about sales, they're not about
Kelly Sinclair:getting clients. They are about people and relationships. So
Kelly Sinclair:before we dive into this episode, quick reminder, if you
Kelly Sinclair:are looking for a way to build your own visibility strategy
Kelly Sinclair:that feels clear and doable. Make sure that you grab the 90
Kelly Sinclair:day visibility sprint starter kit. I don't know why I can't
Kelly Sinclair:make names of things shorter, but that's what it's called the
Kelly Sinclair:90 day visibility sprint starter kit. It walks you through how to
Kelly Sinclair:create a custom visibility plan that fits your season. The word
Kelly Sinclair:visibility is very hard for me to say today, for some reason,
Kelly Sinclair:so sorry about that. Stick with me. The link is in the show
Kelly Sinclair:notes, and you can get it for free because you are a podcast
Kelly Sinclair:listener, and I appreciate you. So let's get into making coffee
Kelly Sinclair:chats actually count.
Kelly Sinclair:So again, my hot take is that coffee chats are for
Kelly Sinclair:relationships. They're not for sales. So these are not
Kelly Sinclair:discovery calls or consults or whatever thing we are labeling
Kelly Sinclair:our sales calls as there is no agenda except for connection.
Kelly Sinclair:And some of my best opportunities have come from
Kelly Sinclair:these casual chats that just have no expectations other than
Kelly Sinclair:creating a win, win situation for both people on the call.
Kelly Sinclair:They're powerful for nurturing existing contacts, meeting new
Kelly Sinclair:aligned people, and ultimately building that long term
Kelly Sinclair:visibility from momentum. So I want to talk today about two
Kelly Sinclair:things. One is how to find the right people to have these
Kelly Sinclair:conversations with, and the other is what to actually talk
Kelly Sinclair:about on the call to make it short, efficient, effective and
Kelly Sinclair:a win, win for both parties.
Kelly Sinclair:So first of all, finding the right people. You can look for
Kelly Sinclair:new connections, right? This is how we can build relationships
Kelly Sinclair:with new people. So perhaps social media followers, people
Kelly Sinclair:who you've chatted with in the DMS a couple times, or people
Kelly Sinclair:who you're following, who you want to make a collaboration
Kelly Sinclair:with. Maybe they're people from. Zoom calls like digital
Kelly Sinclair:networking events that you might go to, virtual networking
Kelly Sinclair:events, or even programs that you're in. I know just being
Kelly Sinclair:active in the chat, sometimes on a call that I literally pay to
Kelly Sinclair:be part of, has led to making connections, and collaborative
Kelly Sinclair:relationships have formed, or other communities that you're
Kelly Sinclair:in, right? The opportunity is all about deepening connection
Kelly Sinclair:with new people. The other group that you can think about is
Kelly Sinclair:reconnecting with people that you've already met. So if you've
Kelly Sinclair:been to a networking event or in person conference or something
Kelly Sinclair:like that, and you made a connection. Take that the next
Kelly Sinclair:step. Build that relationship with a coffee chat. When you get
Kelly Sinclair:home, when you meet people, sometimes we forget to continue
Kelly Sinclair:that conversation. It's just a lot of lost opportunities. So
Kelly Sinclair:let's deepen the relationship, and especially if somebody
Kelly Sinclair:referred a connection to you, like from somebody else that you
Kelly Sinclair:know, this is another place that you can really reconnect through
Kelly Sinclair:a coffee chat.
Kelly Sinclair:Now, what you want to make sure you're doing is looking for
Kelly Sinclair:alignment. So there's three areas that I like to focus on
Kelly Sinclair:here. One is shared values. So right away, like, I don't know,
Kelly Sinclair:I am a rather intuitive person. I can read people's energy. I
Kelly Sinclair:have a lot of energy, so that vibes, or doesn't vibe with
Kelly Sinclair:people as well. When you get on a call, you need to assess that.
Kelly Sinclair:And we're assessing our shared values, like, are we kind of on
Kelly Sinclair:the same path, on the same mission. Do we believe the same
Kelly Sinclair:types of things? This is important when determining
Kelly Sinclair:whether you can have an effective collaborative
Kelly Sinclair:relationship. It's about humans, right? Sharing values is so
Kelly Sinclair:important in figuring that out. And then the next level is your
Kelly Sinclair:shared audience. So this is always a litmus test that you
Kelly Sinclair:want to run anything through is like, are we talking to the same
Kelly Sinclair:people? Because we can't build collaborations if we're not so
Kelly Sinclair:but that, to me, is still secondary to having shared
Kelly Sinclair:values with somebody, because once we're aligned at that
Kelly Sinclair:level, every opportunity really opens up. And then I also say,
Kelly Sinclair:like, energy is about assessing how we want to each show up in
Kelly Sinclair:the world, because there can't be like, a conflict in what that
Kelly Sinclair:is perceived as by the audience that you are communicating with.
Kelly Sinclair:So I know that we're not all on the same level. I don't mean
Kelly Sinclair:like two high energy people are only a good fit for each other,
Kelly Sinclair:but a good balance of energy that flows, and that's just
Kelly Sinclair:something that you can really only feel and assess by having a
Kelly Sinclair:one on one conversation with somebody else. So you sometimes
Kelly Sinclair:can know people by reputation, but when you get on a call with
Kelly Sinclair:them, then you really know how you connect and what feels good,
Kelly Sinclair:and this is really where those spidey senses come in. This is
Kelly Sinclair:all about using that intuition and assessing the other person.
Kelly Sinclair:I keep saying assessing, but it's like just reading them and
Kelly Sinclair:connecting with them, and that's why we need to have these one on
Kelly Sinclair:one conversations before we go into doing bigger things
Kelly Sinclair:together. When you're thinking about reaching out, it's very
Kelly Sinclair:simple to just send a casual message. If you're using social
Kelly Sinclair:media to connect or email right, reference something specific to
Kelly Sinclair:show intent, like pay attention to what they're doing. This is
Kelly Sinclair:about collaboration and mutual benefit, not just I see that you
Kelly Sinclair:host a podcast, I'd love to connect to see if I could be a
Kelly Sinclair:good fit for you. This is always about Win, win for both people,
Kelly Sinclair:and my pro tip is to have a scheduling link set up so you
Kelly Sinclair:want a 20 minute call that you have open in your calendar, and
Kelly Sinclair:you use a tool. My preference is tidy Cal. Tidy Cal is a very
Kelly Sinclair:inexpensive tool. I will put a link in the show notes for you
Kelly Sinclair:to get it. It's a AppSumo affiliate program, where you can
Kelly Sinclair:get it for 29 bucks for a lifetime. I used to pay probably
Kelly Sinclair:150 to $200 a year for Calendly, and it's exactly the same, and
Kelly Sinclair:it's $29 forever. So you're welcome if you're paying for
Kelly Sinclair:Calendly right now, because you're going to want to switch
Kelly Sinclair:to this, but essentially having that to make it simple, so that
Kelly Sinclair:you can have that connection, can send them a link. I
Kelly Sinclair:literally just did this before I got on and recorded this, I had
Kelly Sinclair:reached out to somebody via response to one of their
Kelly Sinclair:newsletters. Hey, we haven't talked in a long time. Love to
Kelly Sinclair:catch up and see what you're up to. Looks like a lot of. Great
Kelly Sinclair:things, because she was talking about all these events that
Kelly Sinclair:she's hosting, and I love that. So yeah, she's like, Yeah, send
Kelly Sinclair:me your scheduling, right? That's the way to book, because
Kelly Sinclair:we're not going back and forth. Is Wednesday at four, good time
Kelly Sinclair:for you. And what's your time zone conversion and all that
Kelly Sinclair:stuff. So just make it really simple. That's very respectful
Kelly Sinclair:of time, and it really sets the tone for the professional
Kelly Sinclair:conversation, but also very personal, right?
Kelly Sinclair:So then let's talk about what to actually put on the agenda in
Kelly Sinclair:order to create a win, win conversation with somebody else.
Kelly Sinclair:I love to just start with curiosity, asking about what
Kelly Sinclair:they're focusing on, what they're passionate about, what
Kelly Sinclair:current projects are they doing? Where are there some
Kelly Sinclair:opportunities like, I just want to see what they light up about.
Kelly Sinclair:That's a place for me to really tap into the energy and tap into
Kelly Sinclair:the understanding of their audience, and also figure out,
Kelly Sinclair:you know, if we're aligned from a values perspective, all of
Kelly Sinclair:those things come from just asking good questions, and then
Kelly Sinclair:make sure that you have an opportunity to share context
Kelly Sinclair:about yourself. And again, this is not a pitch. This is just,
Kelly Sinclair:this is what I'm doing right now. This is what I'm looking
Kelly Sinclair:for. And if you set the tone of the conversation that way, it's
Kelly Sinclair:absolutely reasonable to have that conversation that what
Kelly Sinclair:we're doing is trying to build a win win opportunity for us. And
Kelly Sinclair:so you tell me what you do, I'll tell you what I do. We'll see
Kelly Sinclair:how it can fit together. And then look for some overlap, your
Kelly Sinclair:common experiences, your shared audience, and think about the
Kelly Sinclair:potential collaborations that you could create out of that,
Kelly Sinclair:whether it's somebody's a podcast host or having an event,
Kelly Sinclair:an in person event or an online event, or if you just want to do
Kelly Sinclair:an email list swap or something like that, and consider your own
Kelly Sinclair:generosity. What kind of a resource or insight or even
Kelly Sinclair:additional connection might you be able to share with this
Kelly Sinclair:person who took 20 minutes out of their day to talk to you as
Kelly Sinclair:well. And then I want to recommend you stay open, right?
Kelly Sinclair:A great chat may lead to something on the spot. You may
Kelly Sinclair:end that conversation with two podcast episodes booked, which
Kelly Sinclair:is generally My goal when I'm talking to people about being on
Kelly Sinclair:my show, I want to get a podcast interview booked with them as
Kelly Sinclair:well, or some other kind of way that I can support their
Kelly Sinclair:audience. Or sometimes it's just a planting of a seed, right?
Kelly Sinclair:And, oh yeah, I'm working on building something in six months
Kelly Sinclair:or next quarter, or whatever it is. And sometimes they're just
Kelly Sinclair:not as quick of a turnaround or an automatic win, but that can
Kelly Sinclair:be a goal that you have when you get onto the conversation, is
Kelly Sinclair:what kind of a collaboration you're thinking about doing. So
Kelly Sinclair:have that in mind before you get on the call, and then be open to
Kelly Sinclair:the brainstorm and where the conversation goes.
Kelly Sinclair:And then I want to remind you to follow up. Send a thank you.
Kelly Sinclair:Mention something from your conversation. Just keep the
Kelly Sinclair:touch points going. This is all about building and maintaining
Kelly Sinclair:and deepening relationships. I talk about this all the time,
Kelly Sinclair:relationships, relationships, relationships. That is what you
Kelly Sinclair:want to focus on for your visibility, because it is the
Kelly Sinclair:key to turning your outreach, your one sided efforting,
Kelly Sinclair:pitching, applying, reaching out into invitations. Once you start
Kelly Sinclair:building relationships with people, you become Top of Mind
Kelly Sinclair:with them, and they start recommending you, sending you
Kelly Sinclair:invitations to their things and other things that they're
Kelly Sinclair:participating in, because they know who you are, what you're
Kelly Sinclair:all about, and that you're good. So the thing is, visibility
Kelly Sinclair:isn't always about like this, public, viewable, visible, being
Kelly Sinclair:out there. Sometimes it just comes from being in a room, a
Kelly Sinclair:virtual one, even, or, like, I didn't even say, like, go have a
Kelly Sinclair:real coffee with a real human love. That always a good way to
Kelly Sinclair:continue a relationship, right? But this is about building those
Kelly Sinclair:relationships with the right people in a coffee chat done.
Kelly Sinclair:Well. It can lead to podcast invites, referral opportunities,
Kelly Sinclair:affiliates, bundles, partnerships, or even just
Kelly Sinclair:someone who is now your friend that you voice memo when you're
Kelly Sinclair:in your head about your next launch.
Kelly Sinclair:And if you want to make this kind of intentional connection
Kelly Sinclair:part of your strategy, definitely make sure you have
Kelly Sinclair:grabbed my 90 day visibility sprint starter kit. It is free
Kelly Sinclair:and simple, and it gives you that focused plan to make these
Kelly Sinclair:visibility moves feel way more doable. You will find the link
Kelly Sinclair:to this resource in the show notes. And next week, we are
Kelly Sinclair:talking about a strategy that most people know they. Should be
Kelly Sinclair:doing, but avoid like the play and why doing it well could be
Kelly Sinclair:the visibility unlock that you have been missing, leaving you
Kelly Sinclair:on a cliffhanger. I will talk to you next week.