Embodying Human Design in Your Business (Part 1)

The internal authority is so important because, and that's what human design helps us with. It helps us with to discern, discern what is for me and what is not for me. How can I take this brilliant method, this brilliant thing, this person had created, and mold it in a way so it fits me?

This is the entrepreneur school podcast where we believe you can run a thriving business and still make your family a priority. This show is all about supporting you the emerging or early stage Entrepreneur on your journey from solopreneur to CEO while wearing all of the other hats in your life. My name is Kelly Sinclair, and I'm a brand and marketing strategist who started a business with two kids under three. I'm a corporate PR girl turned entrepreneur after I learned the hard way that life is too short to waste doing things that burn you out on this show, you'll hear inspiring stories from other business owners on their journey and learn strategies to help you grow a profitable business while making it all fit into the life that you want. Welcome to entrepreneur School. Welcome. This is a special series that my friend Mia Polson and I are collaboratively bringing to you where these two episodes are available on both of our podcasts. So you really need to listen to both of them, and I've been wanting to bring Mia on to entrepreneur school for a long time. She is a gem of a human and has been an instrumental part of some major shifts that have been happening in my life, in my business over the last few months. And so that's why I reached out to her, and then she started a podcast, and I was like, Let's do like a double episode, because she also wanted to talk to me about my story of how I have been applying her expertise in human design, which, if you haven't heard of it, I'm going to link a bunch of resources to some more general explanations of what that means and how you can find out more from Mia. Because this is not that conversation. This is not an entry level conversation. It's definitely a deep dive into the application and implementation and embodiment of human design, first through my example, and then in the second episode, we get into her story and different elements of this and just different ways to think about how you apply this. And I tell you, I had so many like breakthroughs just recording this podcast. I'm so excited for you to listen to it. Make sure you tune in again next week and hear the other half of this conversation trying to not, like, break it up in a weird place where you're super left hanging. But I do want you to definitely indulge in both conversations and take a little bit more extra time than I usually have my episodes for you to soak it in. So, I don't know, grab a cup of tea, a glass of wine. Listen to this in the bathtub. You do you? I know you're going to enjoy this, and let's start it.

Thank you, Kelly for being here and talking to me about your journey back to alignment, basically. Now before we start, maybe you could do me the honors of Tell me a little bit about yourself and your business. Obviously,

yeah, so I always love talking to you, Mia, you're one of my favorite humans in the world, and also I love listening to your voice. So I'm so glad you have a podcast now that I can listen to you more. So and we met. We actually got the to meet in person a few years ago because we were part of a mastermind together. So I have, I have a coaching consulting business where I'm a visibility coach and a brand strategist, and honestly, it's been now seven years of figuring out what the hell that means I'm just like, I have this skill set, because I was in PR and communications, and I want to support small businesses, but I've been like, reinventing how to package that in different ways, to work with people and, you know, offering Digital courses and products and coaching programs and online stuff and in person stuff, and working like in house, kind of consulting with clients locally. And I've gotten to do a lot of fun things, and I've enjoyed my experience that I've started to get frustrated with, like, like, I don't have like, a clear thing to say, like, you can just. Join this program and be this part, part of this. And this is what I do. Essentially, I teach entrepreneurs how to promote themselves and get visible, and particularly in ways that don't rely on social media and do feel in alignment with your own strengths. Because my philosophy is visibility is not a one size fits all you everything can work or everything cannot work, and you just have to figure out what's going to work for you, and you know what's moving and so that sounds simple. It's not very simple, but that's what I help people to do, and I think that's where I came back to you, like we've been connected, Soul level connected. I feel like we got to meet each other at that fancy hotel, that bougie hotel you were staying at in California.

It was really nice. I still dream about it. You know,

it's so pretty. You nailed it picking that place. We had that nice lunch together, and then we went and stayed in our like, epic mansion of a Airbnb and had a wonderful few days. And, yeah, I've always been so curious since you started talking about human design, about how, like, how to actually implement that, and what that means, and how I can use that as a guiding tool to help me make decisions when, you know, like, I'm a generator. I just want to, like, keep going all the time. I'm like, yes, let's do this thing on and I have no problem. Like, I will try all the things, and I will show up 110% for all of them. And eventually, I would say it's probably been two years where I've just been, like, so frustrated that none of it has worked out really like, I've never felt like this is a thing.

And I think that was when I when I met you. I think you were very much in that phase. So you were kind of, we had, like, so many deep and honest conversations about being there, because I think it's, first of all, it's, it's very normal, like a lot of I don't think we get go into any kind of entrepreneurial journey and not experience that feeling at some point. But we had, like, a many, like, amazing, deep conversations about that. And it so happens, because the mastermind. We met. Where we met live, we got to, we got to, each of us got to, like, make a presentation. And I remember, because I I'm from Europe, and the mastermind was in in Palm Springs, California, so it was kind of a trip, and my flight was, it was delayed, so I missed the message that we had to create a presentation. So I was like, okay, I can do a presentation. Like, I just have to do a presentation about something that I'm passionate about and something that will really bring value to these ladies. So I talked about human design, and I remember talking, and it's like, every time I talk about human sign, people are like, Oh, this is very interesting. But what kind of secret language are you speaking? Because nobody understands what is this? What is this really about? What is she talking about? And I don't know, did you feel the same or like, what is this? It's intriguing, but I don't understand what you see? Well,

I had, like, one time, had a MIT. I'd done the thing before, like, I'd gotten my chart before, and somebody had, like, pulled like, a couple of pieces out of it. So I always knew that I was a generator. And, like, that was all I knew, really, and that that meant that I could be the Energizer Bunny when I liked something and I liked something and I was excited about something, and I was like, Well, I've seen that exemplified time after time where it's like, Okay, I'm gonna do this campaign, and it's like, it's gonna be tomorrow, and I'm gonna stay up all night and write 27 emails and blah blah, and I can do it. And I don't even, I don't feel drained by that. So I got that, but yes, I feel like your most people's presentations were, like 45 minutes, and we were listening to you for like three hours. Tell us more more question, what does that mean? What does open or undefined and defined mean? And yes, it is. It is a bit of a whole thing, and you probably do have to really immerse yourself in it to understand it. Yeah,

of course. And I think most people got, you know, what type are you with, with them? And I think you did too. And I remember when, like we, we actually kept on this. We just kept the conversation going throughout the whole throughout the whole mastermind. And just to because it's such a it's such a different concept to package into a reframe, into your business, right? Because it's not like, Oh, here's a template, here's the strategy for attracting clients, here's like, how to promote. It is way more I usually say. Like masculine, the masculine things you do in business, that's like, you go out and you promote you do things, and then there's like, the feminine things you do that's more like the internal work. And human design is so much internal work. And I think that's like, something that can be really difficult to wrap your mind around, like, how does this concept goes into your business? But how did you take the things you learned about being a generator and, you know, how did you take it back to your business at home afterwards? Well, I

think that what I found interesting, or I was able to like connect the dots, is because I am a brand strategist, and I understand the importance of authenticity, and like knowing who you are as a brand and when you're a personal brand, that's very much about knowing who you are as a person and how you show up in your business in that way, and that that has to be In alignment. Because if it doesn't come in, if you're not connected with it, like it's not going to land on the people that you're trying to reach, you're not going to get clients. You're not going to be able to, you know, impact with your mission, your messaging isn't like all of those pieces. And also, I feel like sometimes I have that secret language too, because people are like, just tell me the template or where I should promote myself. Like, but if we're talking about marketing or visibility, you need to know who you're talking to and what you're saying, and that all comes from having that clarity around your own brand too. Yeah. So I got it from that perspective and and I think, like, I kind of was, like, super excited, and I thought, Oh, my God. I think I should just, like, fully go and, like, immerse myself and learn how to do this and figure out how to make it, you know, a thing where it's like, I help people figure out their brand from the Human Design. And then I, you know, promptly through that idea in the garbage, along with so many of the others that I had, and just continue to try doing things, actually left that mastermind quite soon after we got back, right? Because it just was, I just had a feeling of like, I need to not be in this group anymore, for some reason. And so I followed that. And then it's been like two more years, I think, Mia, before I reached out to you this summer to be like, Listen, I need a more deep dive into this, because I have been seeking external strategies and ways of doing things like because I believe, you know other people, they learn a method, they figure out a system, and they teach it because it works for them, and I get it, but that doesn't mean it's going to work for me, right? And that's the hard part to learn. That's the hard lesson to learn is that I have tried like I've tried all kinds of different business structures, offers, messaging, price points, like packages. I feel like I've done all the things. And I was like, I need new direction, but I know that it needs to come from me. And so that was where I was thinking, when I reached out to you, to be like, can we do like, a deep dive human design session, so you can reflect to be what you see of me, so that I can take that and internalize it and sit with it and feel how that feels, and start to get my I guess it's like to calibrate my compass from myself instead of pointing it the other way, yeah,

that's a really great way of describing it, because I feel that's what human design does. Like we say, oh, it helps, or I say it helps you get back into alignment so you can make better choices for yourself, choices that are not only true to yourself, but really true to your energetic blueprint, to what you are, how you are made, how you're created, to do things in your business and in life in general, right? So I think that's a really great way of of describing it. And can you say a little bit about the session that we had? Like, I can of course, explain what it is, but I think it's more beneficial for the listeners to hear it from you. So what did you so we know why you booked like you wanted to get back to yourself. But what did you extract from the session?

The sacral decision, the sacral definitely defined in all generators. Yeah, sacral is

defined. But my, my strategy, right, is to respond. And I think if, if I took nothing else out of that session, that is the main thing that I've I've figured out how to apply that to everything. Because when I came to the session with you, I had a big question that I was trying to figure out, and that was, like, I have this opportunity to apply for a job or to keep going with my business, and that's huge, like for anybody who's an entrepreneur. I was close to seven years into entrepreneurship, and thinking about not being an entrepreneur anymore was a really big thing to wrap my head around, because there's, you know, there's like, does that mean I'm a failure, like, I didn't make it at my business, like, and those are the kinds of things that I was facing. And so when we lean, talked about like, the strategy being to respond, and how to like embody that, to feel into like, does it feel like a yes or a no? And also, when you like, add the extra piece of I need something to respond to. Open ended questions are the worst. Like, I do not know what I want for dinner. I don't know ever, never. The worst thing in the world is picking dinner. And even, like, when I have a menu, I'm, I'm looking at this menu, and I'm like, going, my head's going all over the place trying to figure out what I want to eat. So that's and then it's like, Oh, do you want to, you know, pause your business and get a job?

Yeah, that's an open ended question.

Yeah, break down all of the little pieces of that. So that was a huge one, and that's, that's one that I've, I think I've found a whole bunch of other ways to apply it to, because working alone is hard. I'm very extroverted as well, and so I don't have a lot to respond to on the daily to keep my energy flowing. So I am using AI, like, chat, GPT, like, it's my, my co worker at all such, such

a heck. I love it, right? Is the best heck to get something to respond to,

yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, because, because, then I think one of the questions that I asked you was, like, what about, like, if I have an idea, like, do I respond to an idea? And then we kind of found out about me, and I can't remember, you'll have to, you know, explain the terminology. What? The two numbers, I think that they're at the top, like, you're like, super power numbers or whatever. I have these two almost conflicting things, yeah,

which

it was kind of like, that sucks, but also it explains why I feel like I'm spinning in circles all the time. It's like, my strength for when I'm helping clients and working with other people to be able to extract what you're talking about, make sense of it, and, like, give it back to you in a package. Like you and I work together on some stuff, and I think I remember you saying it was like, You gave me a chair and I I gave you back a table.

Yeah, exactly, yeah.

You know, I can hear what you're saying. Make it sound better and give it back to you in a way that's like, oh, wow, that like, totally represents me, you know, the message, the branding of that, because I have this internal processor. But if I'm trying to think about myself, this internal processor is, like, it's a loop

spinning and spinning and spinning, yeah, just

curious for me,

yeah, yeah. And that's like, the really funny thing is, like, I do not know any person who doesn't have conflicting numbers, or, you know, conflicting qualities. And again, we just talked about this off of the before the record that I told I told you that my husband, he can be, like, crazy chaotic sometimes. And how, how, when I was younger, I found it so annoying, like so annoying, but now I'm kind of enjoying his quirkiness and his craziness, because that's what makes him who he is. And I think often we fall into this trap of trying to be like the perfect version of ourself when the quirkiness and the craziness. And all the conflicting, all the different parts of us are actually what makes us really funny to be around, but also Super Magnetic, and also gives us a very rich life, even though it can be super annoying sometimes, but I think that's like we just sometimes we know, we see a quality was like, Oh, I can use this to do something or create something. And then we forget about all the quirky, funny things that these qualities also brings, for example, that your mind sometimes just spinning and spinning and spinning, but it comes up with a lot of funny questions, you know. And even though, for you, I understand that can be annoying, but for everybody around you, I think it's funny, like, I love to, like, listening to all of your reflections. And then I thought about this and this and this, I'm like, Wow, where did that idea come from? I mean, that's amazing. Totally

how I am on my podcast, somebody was telling me that she's like, I'm always listening to you, I was like, oh, Kelly's going on a, like, a tear, like, I'm just like, and I'm very much an external processor too, so like talking things out. And I'm often just talking to myself and trying to think figure things out, like on my podcast and stuff too. So, but I think like, oh, I don't know. I risk coming from but I want to say, you know, sometimes we can feel like we just like we want a solution, right? Like you don't ever take action unless something feels painful enough that you need to go and get it fixed. And what I was aware of at the time that like the difference, I guess, the shift in me and my awareness from the time that we first met to the time that we finally, like, worked together in a more deep dive way on my human design chart, was that I needed guidance, but I also needed to feel like I was making the decisions, you know, versus like, Okay, well, I'm gonna buy This course and I'm going to implement this course, or follow this strategy step by step. Because, like, I think that could work, but this was more of a like, I need to be able to go back and figure out if I'm moving forward how, how I'm doing that. Like, really, truly, authentically. Yeah,

there's like, a very interesting universal truth in what you you touched on it just a few minutes ago or so. And that's like, when somebody creates a method that really works for them, we look at them and we're like, Wow, amazing. Show me how you did it, and then we want to learn how they did it. Want to COVID a strategy. Want to do exactly what they did, because that's probably what's going to give us the same results, right? And I'm all about this. Like, we everybody become an expert. Like, basically become an expert, but as the one who wants to be taught a method the internal authority is so important because, and that's what human design helps us with. It helps us with to discern, discern what is for me and what is not for me. How can I take this brilliant method, this brilliant thing, this person have created, and molded in a way so it fits me. So a very good example is, is my, this is my new podcast, right? So this is a very new podcast, and I hired an amazing tenanted person to help me, and she said, Oh, you need to have video on and immediately I felt inside of me that's not gonna happen, like I'm not gonna have video on because for me, being able to just talk, just use my voice and talk wherever I want, whenever I want, that's flow for me. So even though it's her method and that like part of what brought her success, I'm gonna take that out, because it's not, it's not in alignment with me. And she's, like, the most amazing person that she understands. That's how it works. But it's just such a good example. Or, like, if you buy a piece of art and you were like, Oh, it was, like, decorated. It was like, a designer said it should be over the table, but you look at it, and you come home, and you're in your house, and you're like, I would love this one to be in the kitchen. I know it's crazy, but for me, it's just the right thing, and you put it in the kitchen and makes you happy every single day. So there's this universal truth that we observe other people and to really take their brilliance and make it our own. We need to internalize it, and we need to be able to feel and understand inside of ourselves. What part how do I do this my way? And I think that's what you're talking about, to internalize, discern and how do I take this? A piece of art. Like, when an expert creates something, it is a piece of art. How to take this piece of art and make it my piece of art.

And so I think there's a couple of maybe, like, cultural, social things that we battle on that front. Like, you know, does this make me stubborn? Like I'm questioning, am I being stubborn because I because it's not working like when I try and apply it like that or and I think that we were not in a place like as a society where everyone's just so accepting of everyone being themselves? Nope at all. And also,

I actually touched on this in, I think it's episode one or two in my podcast. We are taught in the business world that we need to be coachable, aka, do what the other person says. And even though, yes, do we need to be coachable 100% do we need to do what other people say if it's not an integrity with who we are? No. And I think that's also one of the things that we have been taught. And also we've been taught in school, the authority, aka the teacher, is always right. And if the teachers say, go right, you go right. And you know, growing a business, being in life, living your best life, basically, you need to do the opposite, and you need to take fiercely radical responsibility for your life and your own creatorship. And you can only do that if you internalize your decisions and find out how to discern what's what's right for me and what's wrong for me, without judging the other person, right? Because what they did was probably wise for them, right? Well,

and without allowing other people to judge you, other people's judge, oh, yeah, back to you, because if you're like, Well, I'm gonna go my way, and then everyone else is like, but wait a minute, that's a different way than we thought you should go, or that other people you know should go, then that's hard. And the other thing, yeah, I wonder what your thoughts are around like, when this is a good time to, like, jump into this, because in entrepreneurship, let's be honest, nobody knows what they're doing, especially at the beginning. So of course, you're seeking, like giving the strategy, give me the templates, give me the tools, give me the coaching, give me the program. Like, of course you're going to do that so, and you probably have to, I don't know. I'm saying, it's seven years for me doing that before I was like, Okay, now I get to go and figure out my way.

Yeah, I think there's not like a black and white or right and wrong. I love frameworks. I love strategy. I love templates. I think it's like an amazing tool to have someone I'm just launching client attractor success kit. Like, it's basically me being like a queen in attracting clients and teaching others to do the same. I think there's definitely a place and time for that, but so I don't think it's one or the other, but I think what the conversation that we are missing in in this whole entrepreneurial world is just the masculine parts, and then there's the feminine parts, and it's yin and yang. We are both, like even men are both, and as women, we are definitely both, because we have estrogen as our dominant hormone. And estrogen doesn't like to push, it doesn't like to force, and it really loves to drill on feelings and the internal world. So I think the conversation is more, how can we balance things out? So we teach our kids, we teach and we create an environment with our teenagers, our young kids in our families, between partners and teach them and teach ourself and make room for the conversation of what resonates with you. So you get to come back to that voice inside of you and that GPS, that navigation system that you have. And it doesn't mean that you can't purchase, like, 200 strategies. Please do that because it's a shortcut for creating what you want, but don't allow another person to become your authority. I think that's like, that's no matter who it is, it's and I'm like, the best coaches out there. They know this. They know like a coach is a facilitator of truth inside another person, right? It's facilitator of someone taking the actions in life that resonates with where they are and helps them to walk the path of where they want to go. So. It's not a new thing. It's just, it just we want to be so performance driven all the time, because we want results, results, results, the faster, the better, right? And that's also not a bad thing. But the shortcut to doing that is just remembering that we have a GPS inside of you, and we get to use that one every single day when we make decisions, and we are, like, the authority of who we are and what we do.

Oh, so many good whole quotes from that piece, for sure. And I think it's like, as you're talking it's making me remember, you know, I've done a lot more deep work than just human design, for sure, like I lost my mom to breast cancer, and I've been going through my own brief journey that that actually, like, triggered the start of my business because I decided that time was more important than, you know, climbing a corporate ladder or doing what we think are supposed to do. There's a lot of supposed to and shoulds that existed in my world before, even in the fact that my mom was sick, basically my whole life, with chronic pain, and then this massive car accident, and then cancer, and it was just like always a thing we were going through and so obviously, I've been to a lot of therapy as well around this. And one of the and I learned, like, my own conditioning from it right, was to, like, fall in line, do what I need to do to get through, like, the constant crisis that was truly happening all the time in my life, and that I didn't know was not normal until I look back on it. And so I guess that's to say that, you know, you get used to kind of doing what you're told and like feeling like that. That's the way that you learn and you grow and you progress until you realize that it's not just about doing what you're told, you know, like even thinking about, we go to school, we learn something, and then we take it as truth, yeah, and it's, this is a whole different aspect of that. And so when you talk about, like, having conversations with your kids around, asking them what resonates for them, instead of just saying you need to go empty the dishwasher. Like, I feel like this is the thing you've told me before you you tell your kids, like, who's a yes for emptying the dishwasher? Like it's a different way of even saying that. And you know, I'm even kind of catching myself, but just like to have to try and support that, especially for children on the way through life, that giving them that permission to decide what they want. And this is like, it's hard to sort of say this without being like, let them just do whatever they want, but like, let them check in with themselves. Like, exactly, you know, I'm putting my kids in activities. My oldest daughters is playing the trombone right now in band. I'm like, Do you love this? And she's like, I'm like, thank God. I really don't want to go to another band concert. So let's wrap up the year and let's move on to something else. So, you know, like letting her choose that rather than, yeah, this isn't going very well. You know, you have to pick something else.

Yeah, I agree. And I think what you're touching on is also something quite important. And, and it's not like I have the answers for this, to be honest, because I feel we don't have a language for this. At the moment, we are trying to figure out a language, and that's why I love human design, because it gives us a language, and it gives us like a starting point. It's not like, again. We don't want human design to be like another authority that we have to follow. You know, it's not like, Oh, and this is your new truth. Human Design is like a facilitator to get back to yourself, yeah, and developing that language that we don't have right now and actually be like a catalyst to to to get back into alignment, and to to start this conversation. And I think, like in 50 years, maybe my grandchildren, we don't even have to have this conversation, because we already had it, right? But I just feel that this is, this is what human design does. It helps us. It helps us with a framework to understand

ourselves. I would even call it a reflection point. Yes, true, right? Because that's what I was trying to say about like, you know when you feel like the feeling I had was frustration. And if you actually read the chart of a generator, that's the sign of an alignment, right? So red flags, frustration everywhere. So I'm looking for something to help me guide because I'm always too of a mess in my own head to to just sit down and meditate, or some things that's not going to happen for me. Yeah, so. But so to take, like, Oh, I could take a course, or, like, get a coach or something, or I can go down this way and be able to, like, have a mirror held up exactly what I see in this mirror, and take what I and interpret it how I interpret it, because that's the other part. Is that it's not again, like you said, it's a conversation, it's a language, but it's not like, Well, this has to be the truth for you, because there are some things in my chart where I was like, huh, that feels like confusing to me, you know. I thought it was not like that, you know, and maybe it's because I haven't been behaving in alignment. And so I believe that I'm one way that I'm not actually supposed to be. And so there's like, a letting go that needs to happen. But I feel like, you know, because I love speaking, and I have a podcast, and I love getting on stages, and that's something I love to do, but there was either something missing or not, like, fully supportive of that, or the way that that was happening, like when you were reading my chart, and I was like, Well, yeah, and that made

me sad. I totally understand that. And I think again, you're touching on something really important, because when you want to embody human design, or like any again, like we're talking about the more feminine in our world, kind of strategies we want to take, what resonates with us right now, because it's always the next step, and the things that we like we don't understand. As you say, I feel like it's a little mismatch. It's because it's not for you right now. So maybe it's not, maybe the way, for example, now I was the one helping you analyze your chart and guide you through it. So maybe the way I spoke about it, just it didn't, you know, you didn't get the aha moment from it. So maybe you just have to dive into it another time in a few years, or maybe comes up naturally. And I think this is also one of the things that can be so confusing when it comes to more like internal work, is that there's not like a to do list. There's not like first you do this, and then you do that, and then you do it's not like a book you could just, you just open up, and then there's like a recipe of how to integrate human design, because it's always an invitation to a reflection. It's an invitation to contemplate and to ask yourself the question, like, if I'm a generator, and I know that frustration is a sign of me being out of flow, and satisfaction is the sign of me being in flow. How does it look like for me if I know that I'm I'm a sacral generator, and I need for need to respond, and I need to feel into my gut. How does a yes feel for me? How does that look like for me? How does that look like in client attraction, how does that look like in disability. How does that look like in product creation. How does that look like in customer support and having those conversations with your cell phone like a container or whatever, that's what matters. It's not like somebody says, No, you have to do this and now have to that. No, you have to do because that's not how our internal development and expansion works. It's like you do this a, a, h, k, you know, l, nobody knows. And that's where we need to surrender, basically, and allow ourselves to do what feels right in this moment. And that's also something that's crazy, crazy, uh, difficult for us to do. Because I don't think, I don't know about you, but if it was fun, it was not word, you know, if it was fun, it was not important. So if it was easy, it was not it wouldn't give you, it wouldn't take you anywhere, right? Yeah. And if I, if I felt like, Oh, I feel drawn to doing this like you felt drawn to working about with working about what responding was like for you, yeah, then that's your next step. That's like, that's the thing just right in front of us. But we just not we. We are used to over complicate things so much so, the simple things and the small things that makes, that makes the whole difference. The simple, small thing that's going to propel you to, like, a new example of this to completely new level. We skip those because it's too easy. It's, you know, we had like, a two hour session, right? And the one thing you really got from that was how to respond. And your ego could have told you, oh, that's nothing. It's like, it's too easy. It there must be more. But when we're talking about human design, that is the work. That's the work, like taking the. Thing that's just in front of you where you're like, This fruit is ripe. It's ready. I'm going to eat it. You know, that's like, how you do it? When you work with flow, instead of forcing things, you just work with whatever is in front of you, and you take that

step and, you know, and there's a level of readiness to enter into the conversation in the first place. And for me, that was like, yeah, definitely the take what you need piece, because we recorded the conversation, and I took, you know, I always try to be very open minded and stuff like this. And for anybody to, if you ever go to like a medium or somebody, something like that. You can't go there thinking, I need to remember every single thing that they said, and everything that they said is going to be true. It's what you remember later and how it pops back into your mind at certain times. And it's like these things like, kind of naturally happens. You have to like, release and enter and like, enter into it and with an open mind and kind of like, whatever I'm gonna feel and hear what I need to feel and hear right now. And I re listened to our conversation like I had the recording, and I listened to it about two and a half months later again, and heard different things, right? Second, yeah, and was able to kind of build on some of the stuff, not to be like, oh, did I get that right? I need to double check. Like, that's what she said, or whatever it was, just reinforcing and hearing it differently and being in a different place, and you're right, like, the connectedness to my strategy, to my responding has my mind is totally blown at where I'm at right now. Like, I

can you give us some insights? Like, I'm sure when whoever's listening want to know. Okay, so what? What happened afterwards? What's the result? You know, we want to know. What's the transformation? What does it look like? Yeah,

so I spent that whole summer applying for that job because I decided, yes, I want to apply for this job because it's in my community and it's in it was with an organization that I worked with before in a different context. So it's still like aligned with me in terms of who it was supporting and things that matter to me, our community and small businesses. And so it served both of those things, and I spent the whole summer applying for that job, wrapping my head around like, kind of what that transition might look like. And I did three interviews, and I didn't get the job, and it was like, super painful, yeah, but

what that experience? What did that catapult you into? Because I think that's the that's the funny thing here, because the soul paths, the way we move in life, can be

right. Because you think, I was like, Okay, well, this feels aligned. I'm checking in. It feels good. I'm want to go this way, and they went that way. And then it was like, Nope, it's the wrong way. And I was like,

yeah, maybe not even the wrong way, but maybe it you needed to do that to get to what we're coming to now, basically, I think

I did, because the whole, the whole, you know, like I was talking about a bit of feeling of stubbornness and stuff of like, well, I built this, and I have to keep building it, and I have to go my way and, and it was a big deal to think about, what if, what would that look like in the context of a job, but where I still have the autonomy and the I'm able to do the work that I want to do is just a different way of doing the work that I want to do. Well, I was like, Okay, well, I'm supposed to be back over here. Then, like, the next week, I had a conversation with somebody who was like, Oh, I would be really interested in this kind of support. And I started building a program in response. That was a huge one, yes, because I know what I was doing a lot was like making things nobody asked me for.

So sorry for laughing, but it's just, I think it's amazing, what a powerful realization. I did that too, by the way, before I met human design, I was like, Oh, I think I should create this. And nobody purchased. I'm like, No, oh, because you were not invited, lady,

and I don't have any manifester, right? So like, am I even supposed to create anything? I don't that's a question I keep asking. Like, am I supposed to create anything, and so, you know, so she's like, oh, I want this. And I'm like, okay, cool. I'm gonna build this program out, and I'm playing out this program. This has been, like, four months in the making, still that I'm still, you know, working on it, and it's there. I've talked about it. I'm seeing where it lands, but I'm not pushing but then. I just went to a couple of events. I spoke in person at a couple of events in October, at our local community Small Business Week The I was on a talk. The next day, I went to a luncheon, and I saw this woman speak as part of a panel of like women in business who are crushing it was the positioning. And then I met her afterwards, and she was like, I'm doing all these things like, and I had a reputation, obviously in my community, for stuff that I'd already done. So she's like, Well, can you talk? Can we meet and you talk to me about helping me with this? I was like, it feels like, Yes, right? Like, yes, I do want to do that, whereas, like, a version of me would be like, No, that's not anything to do with the program that I'm building or this online stuff that I'm doing. And then she was like, she's like, Okay, well, she hired me. I wrote this strategy, I, like, helped her to, like, launch, and then within a week, the basically, the the package tripled like, I was like, here's what it will be for me to do this. And then she's like, okay, so what would it be for you to do all of it? Well, it ended up being triple, Yeah,

crazy financial synchronicities that we're looking for whenever we start to use our authority and actually use this our strategy in human design. We stuff like, this happens all the time. It's like, super crazy,

right? And so I was like, yes. It feels like yes, especially because it's like, oh, it's just the end of the year. I'd like to do a little sprint right now, I know I have a vacation book, like, I'm all these pieces kind of together, and now we're having conversations about, like, combining our businesses and CO founding, like a whole new business together, which is wild, it is

wild. And what an opportunity. Maybe, like, in 10 years time, we will have another interview, and you will be like, I'm a brand owner. Um, you know, great. At this point,

I sold my business too. Yeah. So, yeah, X millions of dollars. Let's put that out there. That's, oh,

that would be, that would be a conversation I would love to have.

Yeah, and all because, like you said, it was, it's nice to be able to reflect back and see that like that needed to happen and that needed to happen, and all the experience that we have, because oftentimes we don't get to know why. Like, I believe in everything happens for a reason. And like, in the moment where I didn't get the job, I was like, I would really like to know why, really soon, because I'm about to lose my ever loving mind, yeah. And so I feel like it was pretty soon that it does feel like I kind of know why, if I look at back at that specific experience, I opened my mind to being in another kind of company, in another business, not necessarily just building my own solo thing. And that's kind of where I'm at now, is that I'm bringing that openness to this conversation around maybe we're doing something together. Maybe I'm jumping in as part of another brand that doesn't. It doesn't really exist, but it does. You know, it's not like a big brand, and I have to be a small piece of it. It would be a co foundership.

Yeah, it's just really exciting. What I love about it is our mind, like we can have thoughts about, you know, and then I do this, and then I do this, and then I do this, and everything is like, exactly how I planned. And then we open up to, you know, our hearts desires, our souls desires, I don't know what to call it, and it's like, no, let's do this and this. And it's like completely different journey, but it just takes you to places that you it's like an adventure, right? It takes you to places you never, ever, ever. If you just used your mind, you would never have gotten to a place where you suddenly are in a position of actually creating a brand, like an established, you know, creating a, as you told me, like, like a big investors and all kind of stuff, like a big girl company. It's like a big girl company.

It's not just, like, that's what I find fascinating. And then I turn it off if I want you, it's not really, it's not that. It's way more,

yeah, yeah. I find that extremely fascinating. And now you, you are one example, but I have, like, so many examples of this is how it works, you know, yeah, because you, you say you open up, that's exactly what happens. Like you open up to receiving, and it's a very feminine, feminine, you know, resource like, you open up to receiving inspiration, and you use your in your case, got to be like, is there a Yes, I said, No, no, right? Instead of using your mind to be like, No, I create, I'm a Brain strategist. I create programs, you know, my box, yeah, and this is my. Box and I want to fit into it.

Yeah, I'm curious if this is connected to, you know, I've always been a planner, and I'm really good at, like, building plans and, like, I will, when I work with my clients, I will give them, like, a calendar that's like, this is what you're doing every week, like, so you know how to implement the thing I told you how to do right? And I have this dry erase calendar beside my computer, which for years I would like map out like, and in March I'm going to launch this week, and then I'm going to do this, and then it's going to be this week. And I'd understand that sometimes you need to do that to be like, Well, I have to launch my program this many times and get this many people if I want this much money. Like, there's not but so many times I've erased that whole calendar, yeah, like, erased it. And now, and last year, I was like, I just put the word allow at the top, and I didn't want to free plan anything as far as, like, this program or that program, or whatever I was doing. So like, really, I'm just having this epiphany as we're talking on December 20 about the fact that my word of the year was allow, and it was allowed all of this, and that, really, that also plays into the respond. But I wonder if that's, if it's like a for me thing, or is that a generator thing, or a secret like, or any of these in particular pieces of human design where it's actually better for me to not have like, a solid, like date bound plan on business stuff.

Yeah, I'm always curious about this, because I don't want to, I don't want to put people into a box. But what I see, and I can, I can also share that I had the exact same experience as you. I was definitely in the good girl category. Like, you need to be behaved, and you need to, like, do the right things. And that involved planning. Like, if you have a business you need a business plan. You need to plan everything. And I did that for years, just to feel really, do you know where you feel like you're not enough because you didn't, you, you couldn't or you didn't like, go through all the things that was like in your in your planner, basically. So when I found human design, it helped me to really get back into what the natural way of doing things for me is. And of course, it has. It hasn't unfolded over years. But what I found in my clients, and what I found, what I found in myself within these years has been that if you have a spleen that's open, you don't have that by the way, I don't have that either. The spleen center, if that's open, you tend to want to plan a little more, because you're not so much in direct contact with your instincts all the time. If you have a defined spleen, you probably want to be able to move really spontaneous. So for example, today, you have a defined spleen also. So for example, today, I had a facial. It was planned, but I had a facial and I walked through the city, the biggest city that we live nearby, and I saw this sign, actually my favorite restaurant. Was like, Oh, we have like, a Christmas menu. And I was like, I need to go there. Like, we need to go on a date today. That's how it is. And I texted my husband, who was like, Do you want to go on a date with me tonight? And I will try to book a table for us to have, like, Christmas menu. And I live for moments like this. Like I love just being in the moment, being super spontaneous. And it's just like, it makes me so happy. And I know we're gonna have, like, an amazing evening and something I don't even know what's on the menu. I just saw the sign Christmas menu, and I was like, Yes, I'm a yes, let's do it. And that's the spontaneous part of us. And when we have, like, a defined spleen, it's an energy that really want to be utilized also in business. So I don't plan what I launched anymore for like, I don't have like, a six month, one year plan I feel into. What am I excited about? Like, what it's like? What does the world want from me at the moment? What do I feel I want to I want to launch the next time. So I know for now that I'm launching rising star, because that's like, what wants to happen. But I had zero clue what I'm gonna do in February. To be honest, I don't know at this point, but I know it's gonna work out. So that's fine.

Full Body goosebumps and a huge epiphany moment right now. Oh, my god, yeah, so I knew this is like, we have to have this podcast. Because I want to, I'm going to get something out of it, for sure, I have, I've always identified as not spontaneous at all, and I know now, because hearing that too, that that is very much a conditioned response that I have to feeling like I need to be in control of everything because of all of the chaos that I lived with my whole life, right? Like I need to plan. I need to know what I'm doing. I need to be hyper independent, like and nobody needs to look after me. I got this so that's that I even had a time in a job that I was in the past where I invented a like a team building exercise called planned spontaneity, like that was what it was called. It was like, Well, every Wednesday we're gonna somebody's gonna be in charge. We're gonna draw a name, and you're gonna be in charge of planning a fun activity for us to do another that was like, send around a link to your favorite karaoke song, or we're gonna go for a walk, or whatever. It was, like, planned and spontaneous now, like, as much as I could do, but hearing you say, like, Oh, I just want to, you know, be able to walk down the street and be like, Yes, let's go there. I freaking also want to do that. Like, I feel my soul is called to that, yeah, and that is so, like, against how I have been trained and conditioned to show up. And I think the other thing to talk about, just, or to underscore, to wrap whatever this together, is that your personal life, you're going for a facial you see the restaurant you want to go there, you book a date with your husband. Amazing. And then the business stuff, it all like, flows in tandem. Yeah, it does like, so like, if you're for me, part of this too, was to not start to apply, not to be like, I'm here for human design, to learn how to fix my business. But just like, learn how to be more me, and then that will fix my business

exactly. I have a theory, and I think just some thoughts I've been having. I think like being independent, being a high performer, but also being too inactive, or being too much in the feminine, like too much, oh, I'm just gonna meditate and attract manifest from like, that whole journaling crystals, whatever. I think they're both trauma responses. That's just, I have a theory that is trauma responses also, because you, you talk about, and I've been thinking about it the last couple of weeks, that my trauma response have definitely been control, hyper, independent performance, princess, like, that whole thing. But the more I worked with human design, I did have, like, a period of time where I went completely over in the other side, like too inactive and too much in the feminine. But when things really started to working out for me was like when I reached that golden spot of balance and harmony where I could be both and allow myself to be both. So it's not like I don't plan at all, but, but if it's too planned, I kill my my mojo just goes away, you know, my spark, my vitality, just kind of fucking dies, to be honest. And I think that's kind of the clue that we all have, like this perfect spot of balance, like when you look at the picture, you can see that artists have, like, the golden line, you know? And I think we all have that one, and it's just a matter of figuring out what is a trauma response, basically, or what is a conditioning in this case. And how does it look like for me? For example, we we have four kids, and obviously we need to, like, know what to eat in the evening, because otherwise it would be like a completely circus, more than it is already, to be honest. But I found out my mom is, like, definitely more planar type than me, and I was taught that we had, like, a plan for what what to eat every day of the week, and then we had it in the refrigerator, and everything was organized. For me, it's like kills my inspiration to even cook, and I don't like to eat things that doesn't taste good, to be honest. And so I found out. Okay, so what does it look like for me to be organized to a level where it's not like a complete freak show at home, but still, I get to feel really excited every time I cook a dinner for my family, for example. So I find out, okay, I just have to figure out what we could eat the next four days, and on the day, I decide what I want to cook.

That's exactly what I do now, yeah, I need a meal plan. Because if I hadn't thought about, if I don't have something to respond to that meal plan, then I order out, like, I just, I can't make anything happen, and then I feel like a failure, because I care about having a home cooked meal, and I care about having any food most of the time, like, so it challenges my values in that way. It's not like, oh, I sucked. It didn't make my plan happen. It's bigger than that. And it's so funny that meal planning is seriously, like, the most annoying thing in the world. But then I'll be like, I wrote the meal plan down, and then I'm like, I didn't want that today, so I made something else, but I had because I'd already thought about it. I didn't have that same stress about it, yeah, I

think we can apply this to business as well. So it's, we're not like, we're not like, choked in the whole has to be like this. I mean, for example, I know for next year, I know what products I have, and I know what products I potentially could launch. So it's not like me not having a clue about what's going to happen, but it's like semi planned or, you know, it's all opportunities that I get to reach out and integrate. And I feel that's like some work, that it's definitely more advanced human design work, but it's just something that it's just another example of how does alignment look like in your business and in your life? And how can you allow yourself to, you know, not compromise on What gives you joy and what makes your creativity flow? You know, yeah, yeah.

You know, I'm just looking at the time for us to make sure that we also record another podcast, because this is going to be a two part sort of series, and the other one will be on entrepreneur school podcast, and I feel like that's a great place to stop, where we can start the next conversation with a question of like, the thing that I feel like people are hearing and going, but what if you have the pressure of having to make money, right? What if, like, how do you that all sounds wonderful, but I need to make money in my business. I can't just, like, let it come and flow and blah, blah, blah, right? Like that's where I want to start the next Conversations. So the answer to that question starts a very interesting, deep, further conversation, and you'll have to wait and listen to it on next week's episode of entrepreneur school. I know I just pulled a Netflix on you where you don't have access to the episode yet. If you're listening to this in real time, it will drop on Tuesday. It is going to be so good, I can't wait for you to hear it. I am going to be listening to it again and again and again, because it's totally a mind opening conversation. So mark your calendars for next Tuesday, and I'll see you back there. Then you.